The Innocence of Youth

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Pete Rose deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Absolutely and undeniably. Charlie freakin' Hustle. I remember watching him play back in his prime. He had a great eye, and he walked frequently. He RAN to first base. Every time. Ran. That's the right attitude. I wish there were more like him today.
Joe Morgan, Johnny Bench, Dave Concepcion, George Foster, Cesar Geronimo, Tony Perez, Ken Griffey (Sr.) and Don Gullet. Their cards lined my wall where a square cork board was titled to a diamond shape.
Cesar Geronimo has to be one of the three best baseball names, along with Sixto Lezcano and Urban Shocker, the latter of which sounds like a cousin to the Donkey Punch.
Pete Rose deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, fer sure. One more to add to the list,though you may be to young to see him play, Roberto Clemente, absolutely brilliant!
Best pirate ever. 3,000 hits on the nose. Rocket arm, magic glove and lightening speed. Killed while flying to help his fellow natives.

A class act if ever there was one.
And Sal Bando. But this could go on all night.

Best name ever... Mini Minoso. Not sure of the spelling, but what a cool old cat... played until he was 50 I believe. Started in the Negro Leagues and finished with the White Sox.
Sal Bando was a great name, too, playing for the same A's as Joe Rudi, Vida Blue, and Claudell Washington. Another cool name: Oscar Gamble, who had by far the greatest afro in baseball history, even cooler than Bake McBride.
I forgot about Vida Blue and Bake McBride... great players and awesome names.

Funniest name: Biff Pocoroba, old catcher for the Braves.
Biff! He was my buddy Mike's favorite player for awhile. A great battery would be Pocoroba catching Mark Lemongello.
No penalty then, for selling out his own team? What do you think of Barry Bonds, then, I wonder? Sorry to be so harsh, but I guess I remain one of the few who thinks people should play ethically and that Americans lhave a "win no matter what it takes" attitude to celebrity. Is it any wonder we had George Bush in the White House? He went by the same principle. The game of baseball has changed, but sports figures still remain role models to our young people. They promote lying, cheating, stealing, steroid and drug abuse, they actually get away with murder and rape in some cases (See the NFL and NBA lineup of thugs) and our kids watch them, wide-eyed, soaking it all in. Pete Rose was one of the first. I don't care how good he was, no excuse for his gambling his team. But hey- as long as he was good, right?
I think Tom was just recognizing that Pete Rose was a great player and belongs in the Hall of Fame, knowing there are a bunch of low lifes already in there. Pete never gambled against his own team and he went to jail for tax evasion... but there are far worse characters in the Hall of Fame. Ty Cobb was an extreme racist and is one of the charter members. Pete's just a dumb jock who thought he could get away with gambling on baseball (a MLB sin) but he never sold out his teammates or bet on his teams to lose. Gambling period was his crime.

As for Barry Bond, I think MLB wants to have it both ways... they looked the other way when Mark McGuire was selling tickets, but are holding Barry to a different standard now that the media and public have caught on to steroid abuse. Barry was just working within the system that MLB created by allowing it. It all sucks, because Pete played fair & square, and we miss seeing players like him. It was just his tough luck that he was a dumb-ass and got kicked out of the game. =)

Maybe.

Sorry for taking up so much space in your blog posts today, but you wrote about two things that I'm really passionate about, and the comments were all just too compelling to resist!

Always a pleasure! You are welcome anytime.
Your words are always thought-provoking.

The difference between Pete Rose and some of the rest of the ilk is that he didn't bet on baseball as a player. Only after he retired from play and became a manager. It's still horrible what he did, but to me at least, that is a mitigating factor. Also, as Mr Vein alluded to in his post, Pete Rose was a breed of player virtually unseen today. He gave 110% every game. It was his motto. So many of today's players couldn't carry Pete's jock, so to speak. Barry Bonds would have been a lock for the Hall of Fame before he injected his first steroid. His numbers were that good. It's sad that he felt compelled to cheat in order to pad them.

I think it would be appropriate to let Pete Rose into the Hall in 2010, after he's been kept out for 20 years. If Barry Bonds has truly retired, let him be banned for 20 years as well. There's a big difference between being voted in at 50 and voted in at 70.

Pete Rose should never, ever, ever get elected into the HOF. Unfortunately, I believe that he will eventually be inducted. I also believe that Barry, Mark and Clemens will get in eventually too. Sad. These players are the scum of the scum of professional athletes and comparing them to players in the past does NOT excuse or rationalize their terrible behavior. Rose lied for years saying that he never bet on baseball, then lied for more years saying that he never bet on the Reds, and is now saying he always bet on them to win.......as if that matters and makes everything all right. Really? It's OK for him to leave a relief pitcher in too long to get that crucial save when the team is 10 games out in September, the closer is dog tired and looking at Tommy John surgery if Rose doesn't get him out of the game? He can't take him out, he has to win this game because he has a huge bet riding on it and he has lost all his other bets for the day!! Don't think that messed up a few careers? It did, you can bet on it.

I won't even get into Barry, he's just a terrible human being. Mark is a liar.

And here's the saddest part of it all....Pete was my first baseball role model and I loved him. Later, I rooted for McGwire and the A's cause I am from the area. Barry at least acted like a jerk from the beginning, so I never gave him a thought.

I loved your blog, Street Vein, and I am glad it generated some discussion. But for every comment you get supporting Rose or any other baseball cheater, there are thousands of us out here that just wish he, and his kind, would just go away and never be heard from again. Kinda like O.J.

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